¶ IndieSky WG001 Meeting Notes
¶ Shared Notes
¶ Attendees
Please intro yourself
- Boris Mann, @bmann.ca, ATCommunity Fund, https://bmannconsulting.com
- Ted Han, @knowtheory.net, ATProto Community Fund
- Bailey Townsend, @baileytownsend.dev, at://2048 and Rust ATProto tooling for developers
- Torsten Goerke, @tgoerke.bsky.social, TU Dresden (CODIP) | openguitar.org
- Ændra Rininsland, @aendra.com, Northsky Social Cooperative
- David Fraser @davidfrasergo.bsky.social, Inconceivable / Foodios (not public yet)
- Emily Hunt @emily.space, Astronomy feeds founder
- Vincent Carpenter, thedogindie.bsky.social, Astronomy feeds developer
- Wesley Finck, @wesleyfinck.org & @cosmik.network
- Anirudh Oppiliappan @icyphox.sh, Tangled
- Hilke Ros @hilk.eu, musician, coder
- Johannes Ernst j12t.org with FediForum and Dazzle Labs
- Bryan Newbold bnewbold.net / Bluesky Social
- Nick Gerakines ngerakines.me + @ngerakines.me / smokesignal.events
- Shahar Refael Oriel @cosmik.network @sharef.bsky.social
- Marat Shakirov @minbash.bsky.social, graphtracks.com
- Richard Reisman @rreisman.bsky.social, long-time advocate of freeing our feeds and semi-permeable communities (may have to leave early)
- Alice @alice.mosphere.at / Emoji Stats, Labeler Starter Kit & other projects
- Robin @robin.berjon.com / Writing on infrastructure and tech sovereignty, hacking on getting arbitrary web content to run on AT.
- Sri @sri.xyz - Software Engineer, Still learning about ATproto.
- Matt Terenzio, @librenews.bsky.social
- Jeremie Miller @jeremie.com
- Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg @knotbin.com, Spark Social
¶ Interests
Pasted in from Luma registration with slight anonymizing. Feel free to claim publicly, add links
- as part of a vulnerable community, I feel the need to learn more about safe infrastructure and about European tech autonomy. From the product/community side, I am mainly interested in building tools for musicians and (independent) music business.
- EuroSky
- I am interested in running a POC of Community Notes on ATProto. There are many benefits of using independent ATProto architecture, from running PDSs, and indexing to dids. For both projects, e.g Community Notes requires anonymity, and thus, a different PDS architecture, as well as indexing.
- Having services that aren’t tethered to US providers
- Supporting Freeing Our Feeds
- especially interested in anything that helps create greater independence from the Bluesky PBC, for our own project and for the atproto ecosystem as a whole; and specifically, at the moment, we are quite interested in potentially being able to offer independent PDS hosting for our community members.
- academic and researcher focused infrastructure
- Insight into things that are assumed in the bluesky world but may be different if running a separate network (e.g. centralized DIDs and their pros and cons and relationship with privacy)
- data sovereignty
- things like hosting a PDS for our community of scientists would be hugely interesting to us. Having an alt relay to hook in to would also be amazing for us to demonstrate to the wider astronomy community that our platform won't go the way of Twitter someday, and that it can be trusted. (emily.space)
- I'm intrigued by AppViewLite and Deer and thinking about how we might leverage them in our next round of infra development (I think this was me - Æ.)
- Replicating an IPFS pin set across geographically distributed, volunteer-run PDSs
- I work with ActivityPub in museums. I am interested on Fediverse connections.
- It is my intention to set up a PDS for beyond that of personal use.
- Able to run couple of PDS. Still looking to setup a relay. More to learn.
- I might query my PDS for my personal website!
- Communicate opportunities to policymakers. Help build collective intelligence.
- Break Big Tech monopolies
- Interested in how independent publishers and media organizations can have more control over distribution and relationships with fans.
- Im just interested in at protocol dev and want to learn more!
- Hyperlocal digital sovereignty
- Trying to build a fully featured independent AppView, and host an independent Relay.
- the expectations of lexicon interoperability with existing lexicon.
- Link attestation of educational skills to a social graph
- academic institution hosting
- atproto data storage for "composable" OER
- long-form scientific writing with DOI
- Working on entirely independent bluesky-based social networks, not aiming at federation with the general network, for specific domains (Strava for other domains)
¶ Interest in running PDS for others
- @icyphox.sh
- @danoleary.me
- @aendra.com
- @erikologic.bsky.social
- @hilk.eu (not sure yet)
- @emily.space
- @knotbin.com
¶ Introductions (Boris) 5min
- Say hi, intro Boris, intro Ted
- Community Fund Overview
- Main https://atprotocol.dev/community-fund/
- OpenCollective https://opencollective.com/atprotocoldev/projects/indiesky
- Email
communityfund (at) atprotocol.community - we can pool support for projects
- Ask to fill out attendee intros, paste link to this page in chat https://notes.commonscomputer.com/indieskywg
¶ Overview (Boris) - 2min
IndieSky goals around independent ATProto infrastructure
- support independent infrastructure - focus not on self hosting, bias to group / community / sustainable
- community infra - between multiple projects, pooled server costs
- support devs - from funding to policy
- grow jurisdictions
¶ Free Our Feeds Introduction - 5min + Q&A
Robin Berjon @robin.berjon.com
¶ Architecture Overview (Ted) <=8 min
Share Map / Architecture Diagram
- https://www.figma.com/board/y7Q3uHzeWcTHTlVpXWhXK5/ATProto-Diagrams
- Password:
duty-nice-pacing-comma
¶ Call for Shared Needs (Group)
- PDS Hosting Admins Support
- European Moderation
- General T&S Coordination
- More Ozone Documentation (e.g. connecting custom AppViews)
- European Relay / Headless Appview
- Small / Partial Appview
- Independent Implementations (e.g. rsky)
- Policy Support
Cloud Providers per Jurisdiction
- EuroStack https://www.ceps.eu/ceps-publications/eurostack-a-european-alternative-for-digital-sovereignty/
- Boris / CoSocial #ElbowsUpTech -> https://members.cosocial.ca/t/canadian-tech-service-providers/112
¶ Follow Up
- Go to
#indiesky-wgchannel on Bsky API Touchers Discord - ATProto Wiki
- Shared Architecture Diagram
- Next meeting? Aiming for a 2 week cycle
¶ Chat Log
08:59:45 From Anirudh to Everyone:
1900
08:59:46 From Johannes Ernst to Everyone:
California 9am
08:59:54 From Bailey Townsend to Everyone:
Hey everyone 👋. Don't have a webcam today
09:00:16 From Anirudh to Everyone:
we're eurohours here
09:01:01 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
https://notes.commonscomputer.com/indieskywg?both
09:01:29 From eduardo to Everyone:
hi everyone :3
09:01:37 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Welcome!
09:01:51 From Enrico to Everyone:
Awesome!
09:02:01 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Hallo!
09:02:18 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
Hey all
09:02:19 From Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) to Everyone:
👋
Ted Han, aendra:👋
09:02:33 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
Hey y‘all!
09:03:52 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Ahoy
Torsten Goerke:😀
09:03:57 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Helpfully Asking with Nudging Dialogs (HAND) Protocol
Ted Han:💪
Wesley Finck:😍
09:04:03 From eduardo to Everyone:
canada lets gooo!
Dan O'Leary, Robin Berjon, aendra:❤️
James Walker (@walkah), aendra:🇨🇦
Robin Berjon:🏒
09:05:35 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
https://atprotocol.dev/community-fund/
09:07:02 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
cooool
09:07:40 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
[email protected]
09:08:00 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
https://notes.commonscomputer.com/indieskywg
09:08:01 From Ian Brown to Everyone:
Sorry!
Ted Han:👍
09:08:19 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "Sorry!":
We all know you did that just to show off your cool pfp, Ian.
Ian Brown:😂
09:11:05 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
*laughs in british person living in Germany who has to deal with ✨the bureaucracy✨
09:11:11 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
VikingSky coming!
09:12:18 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Question: Would this include support for communities built on atproto but not federated with the broader BlueSky community?
09:13:46 From Rachel-Lee Nabors to Everyone:
Does anyone need/want volunteers for the edu component?
Boris Mann:❤️🔥
09:13:48 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Replying to "Question: Would this include support for communiti...":
Yep! Absolutely
David Fraser:👏🏼
09:14:04 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Replying to "Question: Would this include support for communiti...":
@Ted Han Thanks
09:14:52 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "Does anyone need/want volunteers for the edu compo...":
Yes! -> https://atproto.wiki as a space, and starting with everything from how to explain to mass market —> explain to community leads what you can do with different components
09:15:01 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Replying to "Does anyone need/want volunteers for the edu compo...":
Heck yeah! Definitely a conversation we’d love to break out too.
Rachel-Lee Nabors:❤️
09:15:49 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Replying to "Does anyone need/want volunteers for the edu compo...":
Would love to help with this
09:16:53 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Sewers and water!
09:17:33 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "Sewers and water!":
It’s complicated stuff!
09:17:52 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
It should be spelt IndySky.
09:18:04 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
good i wasn't gonna letup
09:18:05 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
We 🥰 relays.
phil, Ian Brown:❤️
09:18:10 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Love the shift in framing for governments to support an ecosystem of infrastructure that people can then build sovereign social networks on top of (rather than them trying to build their own social network)
Emily Hunt:👍
eduardo, Ian Brown:🥰
09:18:24 From Alice to Everyone:
i run a couple relays in the winter to keep the house warm
Enrico, phil, Robin Berjon, Ian Brown:😂
eduardo:🥰
09:18:45 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Ahoy.eu was in Hamburg at the end of April
09:19:16 From Ian Brown to Everyone:
absolutely you need both
09:19:32 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
considering starting a podcast called Oh Relay?
Alice, phil:🔥
Enrico, Shakirov Marat, Ian Brown:😂
Ted Han:😆
09:19:43 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
I think the draw for governments will be that they can self host so it’s perfect for official comms channels
Ian Brown:👌
09:21:00 From Ian Brown to Everyone:
Replying to "I think the draw for governments will be that they...":
Essential for eg emergency comms
09:21:23 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
lots of question marks around lexicons for api endpoints (xrpc methods) and pds events - how do you actually implement those and how can you build a relay on top of that?
09:21:37 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "I think the draw for governments will be that they...":
This! It would be really cool if someday the framework was so easy to do this that governments could set this up without needing much knowledge of the wider infra
09:22:19 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
Alternate data lexicons are automatically transmitted across the relay right now
09:22:40 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "I think the draw for governments will be that they...":
We’re not that far from it. I actually had a conversation with institutional folks in Japan in March about verified emergency comms using AT.
09:23:01 From Enrico to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
IDK if it can help but this is one event consumed right at the relay firehose:
{ action: 'create', path: 'app.bsky.feed.like/3looczth7oc2e', cid: 'bafyreich3ih7yhopxsios4iaujhrb6gez3o6uitstluml3cxbyrflnhknq', record: { '$type': 'app.bsky.feed.like', subject: { cid: 'bafyreigpas5h6y2347q6w5mf32hd2nyebo7pz24dyxcf4ygveupii5mtte', uri: 'at://did:plc:k2weqoffrljoi7d45jjhjaqk/app.bsky.feed.post/3loo4uyximc2f' }, createdAt: '2025-05-08T16:21:56.395Z' } }
09:23:29 From Bailey Townsend to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
For the creating api endpoints, I noticed yesterday in the atproto repo the lex-cli has a gen-server command. Have not tried it yet https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/tree/main/packages/lex-cli
09:24:20 From Rachel-Lee Nabors to Everyone:
I love how the distributed nature thwarts coordinated attacks like that
09:24:26 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
PLC is totally centralized! We should all admit this! The plan of record @Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) is spinning this out into a separate entity — and is high priority as part of the discussion with governments.
09:24:40 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "PLC is totally centralized! We should all admit th...":
Yesssss
09:25:11 From Dan O'Leary to Everyone:
Can you share a link to that model you're showing now?
09:25:29 From aendra to Everyone:
💚
09:25:41 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
https://www.figma.com/board/y7Q3uHzeWcTHTlVpXWhXK5/ATProto-Diagrams
Password: duty-nice-pacing-comma
Anirudh, Ian Brown, Dan O'Leary:👍
09:25:58 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "https://www.figma.com/board/y7Q3uHzeWcTHTlVpXWhXK5...":
Not Enough Relays
09:26:00 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
Oh cool that gen-server seems relevant…
09:26:59 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
"something like that" is legit
Dan O'Leary, James Walker (@walkah), phil, Bailey Townsend, Anirudh:❤️
09:27:40 From Enrico to Everyone:
Sorry, all the other arch diagrams show the PDS as the only client entrypoint. Are we suggesting that the clients can consume directly from AppViews? Or will the PDS still act as a proxy?
09:28:08 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
Ya im mostly thinking about if someone wants to implement custom queries, procedures, and subscriptions (all primary lexicon types) it seems they will need to implement their own pds which provides those endpoints and emits those events. I don’t think there is a way to extend the bsky provided PDS in this way?
09:28:47 From Anirudh to Everyone:
probably helps to mention that the client writes to the PDS
09:29:20 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
You can have your own API endpoint for XRPC (though you don’t have to use XRPC), and that endpoint will write records, blobs, etc. to the PDS.
09:30:07 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Can’t wait for UCANs!
Nick Gerakines (he/him):➕
James Walker (@walkah), Nick Gerakines (he/him):👆
James Walker (@walkah), Nick Gerakines (he/him), Ian Brown:💯
James Walker (@walkah):🙌
09:30:21 From phil to Everyone:
service proxying (through pds) is cool
James Walker (@walkah):💯
09:30:30 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
https://ucan.xyz/
phil, Ian Brown:❤️
09:30:33 From Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) to Everyone:
https://github.com/ucan-wg
09:31:02 From Bailey Townsend to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
I may be thinking of it wrong. But this is where custom AppViews come in and what I consider them when I talk about them. PDS is source of truth, AppView caches the data and gives you ways to show it. Kind of like the Statusphere where yous have the emojis in the db and then it has an endpoint to show those it picked up from the firehose
09:31:40 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Replying to "lots of question marks around lexicons for api end...":
Hmm, so what’s the point of using lexicons to define endpoints and event types if everyone is just using the ones provided by bsky https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/tree/main/lexicons/com/atproto/repo
09:31:58 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
I think “Login with ATProto” is something we could work on with education / design / messaging
Bailey Townsend, Laurens Hof:💯
09:32:19 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
And then PDS, in some ways, very directly gives data sovereignty — which is explainable
09:32:29 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
“Do you want your data hosted in Canada?” -> yes!
Ian Brown, Emily Hunt:😍
09:32:39 From Enrico to Everyone:
To clarify, my POV is from somebody that would be interested in hosting a full independent clone of BSky so I need to make some considerations in terms of performances and such
09:32:39 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
(Without over focusing on the word PDS)
09:32:56 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
Replying to "I think “Login with ATProto” is something we could...":
then it should be standrtized as FIDO or be part of it
09:33:24 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "To clarify, my POV is from somebody that would be ...":
Performance is mostly from reads. You’re not going to hit lots of reads without lots of work. See deer.social
David Fraser:👍🏼
09:33:26 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Rough model of explaining the protocol to non-technical users:
https://www.figma.com/board/3ElqliAIit639DMMYeP3n0/Untitled?node-id=0-1&t=xOA5AoVg13YVjFX4-1
Anirudh:❤️
09:33:28 From Shahar Refael Oriel to Everyone:
Where are the DIDs in this diagram?
09:33:45 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "Where are the DIDs in this diagram?":
PLC identifiers
09:34:37 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Bluesky can monetise their microblogging service while the AT protocol thrives.
Ian Brown:👌
09:34:43 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Maybe a more accessible analogy: PDS = kind of like a google drive, you have folders and files, but you technically could move it around to dropbox or other providers
Ian Brown:👌
09:34:44 From Chris Boscolo to Everyone:
Replying to "Where are the DIDs in this diagram?":
And technically also did:web
09:34:57 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "Maybe a more accessible analogy: PDS = kind of lik...":
And it’s also your browser.
09:35:29 From Enrico to Everyone:
Replying to "To clarify, my POV is from somebody that would be ...":
Ok so the answer is “it’s app depending”?
Atproto allows us to develop an app that can either read from appview and write into a PDS, but also r/w directly on PDS AFAIU?
09:35:45 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
I liked Ruby’s analogy about runways (PDSs) and the tower (Relay)
09:35:45 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
/me goes post about this on Mastodon
Ted Han:🐘
Enrico, Alice, phil:😂
Rachel-Lee Nabors, Ian Brown:🤣
09:36:20 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
maybe registrars could get into the PLC directory business, register a domain, host a PDS, etc.
Ian Brown:❤️
09:36:20 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Did Boris say relay?
09:36:28 From Alice to Everyone:
we should have made a bingo card for the call
psingletary.com, Sebastian Vogelsang, Bailey Townsend, Ian Brown:😂
Robin Berjon, phil:😹
09:36:39 From Alice to Everyone:
or a terrible drinking game: if someone says "relay", drink
psingletary.com, Ian Brown:🍹
Enrico, Robin Berjon:💯
09:37:02 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
If someone says “decentralised”, finish the bottle.
Enrico, Ian Brown:😂
09:37:33 From Enrico to Everyone:
I might consider camping these meetings only for the sidebant
Ian Brown:😂
09:37:51 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
A lot of early web companies made a lot of money by helping the web grow bigger.
James Walker (@walkah), Chris Boscolo:👆
Ian Brown, Laurens Hof:👌
09:38:22 From Enrico to Everyone:
Replying to "A lot of early web companies made a lot of money b...":
g
09:38:26 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Replying to "If someone says “decentralised”, finish the bottle...":
Decentralized drinking game
09:38:55 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "If someone says “decentralised”, finish the bottle...":
That would require self-certifying glasses.
09:38:56 From Ian Brown to Everyone:
Replying to "I think “Login with ATProto” is something we could...":
Also a huge policy opportunity with EU's eIDAS 2
Robin Berjon, Sebastian Vogelsang, Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver:💯
09:39:45 From Alice to Everyone:
deer.social mentioned!
Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg:❤️
09:39:52 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
WOO
09:40:01 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Also regarding education and accessible concepts for understanding some aspects of ATProto, I experimented with “shapeshifting email” which seems to have landed pretty well with folks I’ve shared it with https://weswalla.substack.com/p/shapeshifting-email
Ian Brown:😍
09:40:02 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "deer.social mentioned!":
What’s the drink for that?
09:40:30 From Alice to Everyone:
Replying to "deer.social mentioned!":
water from a stream in the forest
09:40:44 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
We need to make it easy to onboard develoeprs of all levels
Bailey Townsend, Ian Brown:💯
09:42:21 From Chris Boscolo to Everyone:
Use did:web
09:42:33 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Isnt that why did web exists
09:42:45 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
You could use the did:2 scheme, that makes it possible to embed a DID inside a DID and that way you’d have a DID that’s retrievable in multiple PLCs 
David Fraser:🤨
09:42:48 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
THANK YOU for not going for a totalizing vision!
Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver:💯
09:42:57 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
It’s a trap
Ian Brown:😂
09:43:12 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
https://bsky.app/profile/ngerakines.me/post/3looe57yxac2y
09:43:14 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "You could use the did:2 scheme, that makes it poss...":
(Please don’t do that.)
Sebastian Vogelsang:😂
09:43:21 From Bailey Townsend to Everyone:
I love that
09:43:22 From Ian Brown to Everyone:
Great meeting, thanks! I have to leave in 15 minutes. Just checking if there will be a published write-up I can share with colleagues?
09:43:28 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "Great meeting, thanks! I have to leave in 15 minut...":
yes
Ian Brown:👌
09:43:48 From Enrico to Everyone:
Will consensus not manage the PLC? Say a random South African billionaire buys BSky tomorrow, all the other AppViews EDIT can migrate to community base ones /EDIT to hydrate the blobs, right? We should also have enough time to dump the current PLC state…? Maybe we could start keeping a community backed one?
09:44:00 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
Local PLC + PDS + Relay + DNS
phil, Ian Brown:🔥
09:44:29 From phil to Everyone:
Replying to "Will consensus not manage the PLC? Say a random So...":
there are active mirrors running, so the option to fork there any time
Enrico, Ian Brown:❤️
09:44:35 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
My bad misclick lol
09:44:48 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
@Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg That’s one lit collection of phones
David Fraser:👍🏼
Enrico, Bailey Townsend, Wesley Finck:💯
Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver, Ian Brown:😍
09:45:15 From Enrico to Everyone:
Replying to "Will consensus not manage the PLC? Say a random So...":
I arrive too late, as usual 😑
09:45:18 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
yeah ozone needs a bit of love
aendra:💯
09:45:39 From phil to Everyone:
Replying to "Will consensus not manage the PLC? Say a random So...":
it's never too late!
Enrico, Ian Brown:😃
09:45:48 From David Fraser to Everyone:
@Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg would love to compare notes on running ozone connected to PDS/app-view, have been doing the same thing
Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg, Ian Brown:❤️
09:47:23 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
yeah can't imagine the ML requires for content moderation of video / audio
09:47:40 From Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) to Everyone:
(I'll have to drop at the hour BTW)
09:47:53 From Chris Boscolo to Everyone:
Is anyone working on tools to backup PDS data in case the company host my PDS disappears?
09:48:07 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
pds.sprk.so is public already
Laurens Hof, Anirudh, Ian Brown:👀
09:48:31 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Has ~200 users
phil, Bailey Townsend, Anirudh, Nick Gerakines (he/him), Ian Brown:🔥
09:48:41 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
LOL nick with X
09:49:00 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
HAND Proto isn’t spec’d well enough
Nick Gerakines (he/him):➕
Robin Berjon:👋🏻
David Fraser, Ian Brown:😂
09:49:07 From Anirudh to Everyone:
lmao
09:49:15 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Replying to "yeah can't imagine the ML requires for content mod...":
Bluesky already open sourced some automod stuff for ozone which is helpful for this
09:50:31 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
after we tackle ATGeo jump into RFC 1149
mterenzi, Ian Brown:😂
09:50:59 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
The crypto people are 🙃
09:51:16 From Enrico to Everyone:
https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3l5ii332pf32u ?
09:51:17 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Time for a PDS Covenant!
Nick Gerakines (he/him):👆
Nick Gerakines (he/him):💯
Nick Gerakines (he/him), Ian Brown:🔥
09:51:40 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
@Robin Berjon is there actually an update on what frequency is doing with archiving?
09:51:45 From Anirudh to Everyone:
should probably write a guide on https://litestream.io backups for sqlite-backed pdses
Robin Berjon:😮
09:51:48 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
really need to either get community showcase updated, or community showcase needs to defere to atproto.wiki and let people update their apps / services
09:51:54 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Spark is also working on a migrator tool
Wesley Finck, Ian Brown, Robin Berjon:🔥
09:52:15 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
at this point what isn't spark doing?
09:52:19 From mterenzi to Everyone:
@Ted Han where are the notes you mentioned being kept?
09:52:21 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
I'd like to have independed pds on standby ready to go
09:52:24 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
Replying to "at this point what isn't spark doing?":
Name changes
Sebastian Vogelsang:😂
psingletary.com:🤣
09:52:28 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "@Robin Berjon is there actually an update on what ...":
I haven’t heard in a bit, they were a bit put off by the reaction they got… I’ll see some DSNP folks at the IGF, I was hoping to hear more.
Laurens Hof:👀
09:52:29 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Replying to "@Ted Han where are the notes you mentioned being k...":
https://notes.commonscomputer.com/indieskywg?both
mterenzi, Ian Brown:👍
09:52:59 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "Time for a PDS Covenant!":
There’s prior stuff from the world of user agents to reuse (and improve on) there.
09:53:18 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
Replying to "@Robin Berjon is there actually an update on what ...":
Gotcha, thanks!
09:53:35 From Anirudh to Everyone:
hadn't considered that tbh; the primary motivator for us (tangled) to host our own pdses is because the overlap between those with bsky accounts / write code only goes so far.
09:54:03 From Dan O'Leary to Everyone:
Maybe basic question, but could two different AppView's use the same PDS? My initial reaciton is "No".
09:54:16 From aendra to Everyone:
Secondary key management is something we're really still figuring out the best approach for at Northsky
phil, Bailey Townsend, Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg, Laurens Hof, Ian Brown, Robin Berjon:❤️
09:54:37 From Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) to Everyone:
"account recovery"
09:54:43 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
We’re trying to implement adversarial migration as well
09:54:58 From Anirudh to Everyone:
Replying to "Maybe basic question, but could two different AppV...":
they can! the appview is just a "view" atop the pdses
Dan O'Leary:👍
09:55:01 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
I have some big feelings about mobile CAR archives
09:55:12 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "Maybe basic question, but could two different AppV...":
Not only can but do!
Dan O'Leary:👍
09:55:27 From phil to Everyone:
on-device pds is a cool concept
09:55:29 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "I have some big feelings about mobile CAR archives":
Would love to hear more
Nick Gerakines (he/him):👍
09:55:46 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Replying to "Maybe basic question, but could two different AppV...":
But the PDS itself is configured to talk to a particular AppView for proxying requests to the broader network, right?
09:55:57 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Reminder that the wiki can be found here: https://atproto.wiki/en/home
09:56:06 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
I would LOVE to have a distributed PDS implementation that can run on k8s
09:56:09 From Enrico to Everyone:
have we discussed about “Headless Appview” yet? sorry I might have missed it
09:56:39 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Replying to "on-device pds is a cool concept":
i like the idea but for Google drive, icloud, onedrive, owncloud
Enrico:💯
09:56:59 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
mobile pds is awesome concept, hi nostr?
Ted Han, Laurens Hof:😆
09:57:03 From Anirudh to Everyone:
Replying to "I would LOVE to have a distributed PDS implementat...":
currently run the official pds on k3s at home. unsure of how that would distribute though.
09:57:05 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
Replying to "on-device pds is a cool concept":
the proxy for the mobile PDS could be sitting in iCloud
09:57:10 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
Replying to "on-device pds is a cool concept":
or google drive
09:57:15 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
Replying to "on-device pds is a cool concept":
you’d get sync for free
phil:❤️
09:58:18 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in using AT to host preprints + run overlay journals on top?
09:59:01 From Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) to Everyone:
some things i'm very interested in supporting if folks every want to chat about them:
bsky appviews, both smal/flexible like AppViewLite, and large-scale
moderation APIs: non-bsky content, and doing takedowns on PDS, Relay, AppViews
Bailey Townsend, Laurens Hof, aendra, phil, Sri.xyz:❤️
David Fraser:👍🏼
09:59:29 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
Replying to "some things i'm very interested in supporting if f...":
I will totally hit you up on both
Bryan Newbold (Bluesky):👍
10:00:40 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
In the last DASL call there was also a lot of interest in using DASL to preserve scientific datasets (a couple people are doing that) and publishing availability to AT so the hashes are signed by known accounts, that kind of stuff
Bryan Newbold (Bluesky), Laurens Hof, Emily Hunt:👍
10:01:07 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Replying to "some things i'm very interested in supporting if f...":
yes and moderation nuance for live chats (think twitch chat)
10:01:53 From Bryan Newbold (Bluesky) to Everyone:
I have to bounce, but look forward to more of these meetings!
Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg, aendra, Laurens Hof, Emily Hunt:❤️
Sebastian Vogelsang, Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg:👋
10:02:32 From Anirudh to Everyone:
have to jet as well; this was great! 💙
10:02:36 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
Maybe, but I think arXiv already does an amazing job of this and we don't need to reinvent the wheel there. Running overlay journals, however, would be very very cool, and I'm sure that could be a use in the future
10:02:42 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Another cluster could be creating clustered/distributed PDSes or Relays
10:03:02 From Rachel-Lee Nabors to Everyone:
I’m interested in connecting with fellow app builders. I’m working on a client for multiplatform “headless social media”
aendra, Laurens Hof:👀
Ted Han:💪
10:03:40 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
I think I see ATProto mostly as an arXiv comment system (which Twitter sort of was before), maybe there are better integrations to be made there
10:03:49 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Replying to "Another cluster could be creating clustered/distri...":
Right now running large scale PDSes is relegated to the janky entryway system so getting one PDS that can run on many machines would be a huge unlock
10:03:51 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
It would be cool to approach the folks at arXiv and pitch that idea
10:04:00 From Rachel-Lee Nabors to Everyone:
Find me at nearestnabors.com
10:04:04 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
@Torsten Goerke we should definitely get in touch!
10:04:06 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
Right — I don’t think it’s about reinvented any of the *Xivs but more about integrating source preprint <-> CID <-> whatever moderation service does the overlay.
Emily Hunt:👍
10:04:36 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
Exactly — I think the protocol makes it possible to go beyond commenting, which IMHO is quite exciting.
10:04:36 From Torsten Goerke to Everyone:
Replying to "@Torsten Goerke we should definitely get in touch!":
Yes, sure. Ping me on bsky? @tgoerke
10:04:51 From Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver to Everyone:
Thank you Boris (and team) for making this all happen! 👏
Rachel-Lee Nabors:🔥
10:05:42 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Thanks Boris and team, really gratefully for this connection...
10:05:44 From Bailey Townsend to Everyone:
I would love to see the mentioned discord channel so we could all say "Hey I'm intrested in this" and then we could split off in discord threads in it maybe to hit all these great topics?
David Fraser:👍🏼
10:05:45 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
I think that's a cool idea! How cool would it be to e.g. have a publication lexicon and be able to e.g. reference a paper in posts discussing them
10:05:57 From Torsten Goerke to Everyone:
Thanks everybody. 👏
10:06:07 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "Thank you Boris (and team) for making this all hap...":
And I’m glad we were able to elect a new Pope during such a quick call. That’s a tribute to our fearless organisers’ influence if there ever was one.
Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver, Emily Hunt:😀
10:06:09 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
one of the biggest challenges I've found with building things for academics though is that they want to log on, quickly chat, and then log off, so it would need to be seamless and well integrated
10:06:53 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Torsten Goerke we should definitely get in touch!":
Followed you, you should be able to DM me
10:07:34 From Enrico to Everyone:
that’s a very interesting use case!
10:07:44 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "In the last DASL call there was also a lot of inte...":
Could see that being really cool, especially in the backdrop of e.g. the trump admin trying to delete stuff
10:08:00 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
I think it’s weird that the @atproto.com account is named “AT Protocol Developers” when it’s run by Bluesky and not a community account
10:08:09 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
I know, I worked at a scholarly publishing startup for a while 🙂 But something like this would be pretty seamless for anyone who already has a Bluesky account.
10:08:12 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Replying to "I would love to see the mentioned discord channel ...":
i think there's a couple of forum channels that have become like this, so i agree a bit of focus on a tech discord category new forum posts based on each component of the AT Protocol can have discussions
10:08:28 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "In the last DASL call there was also a lot of inte...":
That’s definitely the motivation for several folks.
10:09:01 From Enrico to Everyone:
do we have “social media starter kits"?
Rachel-Lee Nabors:🔥
10:09:53 From Torsten Goerke to Everyone:
the hand protocol is funny
10:10:09 From Bailey Townsend to Everyone:
Got to run 👋. Thank you everyone was so great to see everyone and looking forward to more of these
Ted Han:👋
10:10:22 From Rachel-Lee Nabors to Everyone:
By folks! See you next time I hope!
10:10:42 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
Laurens
Laurens Hof:❤️
10:10:46 From Wesley Finck to Everyone:
Bye everyone, thanks for bring us together!
10:11:01 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
We just make a DAO.
Laurens Hof:👀
10:11:15 From Torsten Goerke to Everyone:
Need to run too. See you next month.
10:11:42 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "@Emily Hunt Have you looked at/are interested in u...":
I think there's a ton of possibilities here so definitely an idea to keep up on! I think running an overlay journal would be particularly interesting. I could imagine someone building the software to host an overlay journal, it being really easy cos it's ATProto based, and it just working if/when someone wants to make one
Robin Berjon:💯
10:11:44 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "We just make a DAO.":
(For the record this is a joke.)
10:11:47 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Replying to "We just make a DAO.":
Definitely Awesome Organization.
Robin Berjon, Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver:😹
10:12:02 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
I have to hop
Ted Han, Laurens Hof, aendra, Sebastian Vogelsang, phil:👋
10:12:07 From Nick Gerakines (he/him) to Everyone:
Great convo everyone!
10:12:28 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
"running" ozone isn't hard navigating it... has gotten better over time
10:16:10 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
It’s been “soon” since November 
Emily Hunt:☹️
10:16:52 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
AT is too small for the IETF still.
10:17:32 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "AT is too small for the IETF still.":
Yep!
10:18:06 From phil to Everyone:
gotta drop, thank y'all!
Sebastian Vogelsang:👋
10:18:16 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Replying to "gotta drop, thank y'all!":
Thanks Phil!
10:19:13 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Jeremie! you are now in my sights
Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver:👀
10:20:15 From Enrico to Everyone:
f
10:20:26 From Ted Han to Everyone:
We just lost you Robin
10:20:36 From Ted Han to Everyone:
We missed the bulk of the offer there 😄
10:21:19 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
My internet sucks — I’ll type stuff
10:21:45 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Replying to "My internet sucks — I’ll type stuff":
i had to turn of video
10:22:21 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Two things:
1) Depending on what the plans are for IndiePLC, FoF can help — don’t hesitate to hmu, we have good access to govs, nonprofits, etc.
Emily Hunt:👍
Jeremie Miller | Eng/Arch | Denver, Ted Han:👏
10:22:31 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
I mean I feel like single point of failure and resilience are very interconnected
psingletary.com, Robin Berjon:💯
10:23:21 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
APP LEXICON
Ted Han:💪
10:23:26 From Enrico to Everyone:
that’s nice @Boris Mann but how would you avoid all the browser war standard s***show? what about if one party wants to push the protocol towards one direction and has the right leverage?
10:23:27 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
One day you’re gonna make it happen boris
10:23:43 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
2) We should move the spec under community control but I would suggest that we don’t assume that the end result is necessarily going to the IETF. The IETF is nice, but it may be challenging and there are things that it won’t do. We could have a single home for things like a PDS Covenant and the specs — it makes sense to keep tech & governance together. So… we might want to make our own standards org.
Laurens Hof, Emily Hunt:👀
10:24:32 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
Replying to "2) We should move the spec under community control...":
w3c is not an option?
10:24:43 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Preach
10:24:48 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "2) We should move the spec under community control...":
Buy me a lot of drinks and I’ll give you the context 🙂
Ted Han:☝️
Laurens Hof, Enrico:😂
10:25:20 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Typical Pisces
Emily Hunt:😂
10:26:02 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "2) We should move the spec under community control...":
But seriously, the Social WG was pretty toxic, and we’d have to deal with a lot of crap.
Ted Han, Laurens Hof:☝️
Ted Han:😬
10:26:02 From Enrico to Everyone:
Given the current political climate and examples prob we will all soon assume astrology and astronomy to convey the same meanings
Emily Hunt, David Fraser:😂
10:26:46 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
Replying to "2) We should move the spec under community control...":
xkcd need a comic about standards commitees
Enrico:💯
10:29:14 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
haha I'm driving 9 hours tomorrow for somethign 1 state over
Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg:❤️
10:29:24 From aendra to Everyone:
atproto.london 🔜
Laurens Hof, Emily Hunt, Robin Berjon:👀
10:29:28 From Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg to Everyone:
Is anyone in NYC?
10:29:41 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
#Berlin ?
Sebastian Vogelsang:👍
10:29:56 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
PLC is the most dangerous thing to not have sorted out.
Sebastian Vogelsang, Emily Hunt, Laurens Hof:💯
10:30:04 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
we do have a social events discord with is great for coordinating meet-ups
10:30:10 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
The specs we can literally just copy and paste.
10:30:54 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
Replying to "atproto.london 🔜":
site not found 
10:32:09 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Anyone in Vienna? (Am about to move there)
10:32:21 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "Anyone in Vienna? (Am about to move there)":
or nearby I guess
10:32:30 From Shahar Refael Oriel to Everyone:
Replying to "Anyone in Vienna? (Am about to move there)":
Me too! On August 🙂
10:32:31 From Sebastian Vogelsang to Everyone:
Replying to "Anyone in Vienna? (Am about to move there)":
Berlin 🙂
10:32:58 From Ted Han to Everyone:
POTATOSKY
Enrico:❤️
Ted Han:🥔
10:33:03 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "Anyone in Vienna? (Am about to move there)":
yay nice!
10:33:15 From aendra to Everyone:
Replying to "atproto.london 🔜":
I'm trying to decide between that and something like bsky.london, still working on what I should call things 😅
10:33:41 From Enrico to Everyone:
Replying to "POTATOSKY":
they should run bsky inside doom
Ted Han:😆
10:33:47 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
At some point the raspberry pi company should sponsor atproto stuff lol
Emily Hunt, Sebastian Vogelsang, David Fraser, Enrico:😂
10:34:01 From Dan O'Leary to Everyone:
Thank you all! I learned a lot and have to run!
Laurens Hof:👋
10:34:02 From Ted Han to Everyone:
Replying to "At some point the raspberry pi company should spon...":
That’s like, actually not a terrible idea
Laurens Hof:🙃
10:34:28 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
discord.gg/6E3ZahchkK
AT Protocol : Social Events
two meetups are running from there
10:34:43 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Replying to "At some point the raspberry pi company should spon...":
There's also the Raspberry Pi Foundation that do a lot of education stuff for kids around the world. Have wondered about how it would be to use atproto as a basis for local coder dojo project sharing etc.
Boris Mann, Laurens Hof:🔥
10:35:11 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "At some point the raspberry pi company should spon...":
tutorial for how to run an entire social media network on your raspberry pi (for kids) when
Enrico, Robin Berjon, Laurens Hof:❤️
10:35:18 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
Replying to "discord.gg/6E3ZahchkK AT Protocol : Social Events...":
invalid
10:36:00 From Alice to Everyone:
👋
Laurens Hof:👋
10:36:01 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
It’s all made up.
10:36:46 From Ted Han to Everyone:
@Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg https://bsky.app/profile/ngerakines.me/post/3lndesneyb22b
10:37:23 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
I have to drop, sorry — but loved this call, I wish all communities were as sweet & smart as this one. Don’t let Boris talk you into working groups. Kidding, we can figure out how to do WGs right.
Emily Hunt, Enrico, Vincent Carpenter (he/him):❤️
Sebastian Vogelsang, Laurens Hof:👋
David Fraser:👍🏼
aendra:💚
10:37:44 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "I have to drop, sorry — but loved this call, I wis...":
thanks for joining, was great to meet you!
Robin Berjon:🥰
10:37:49 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
👋🏻
10:37:56 From Robin Berjon to Everyone:
Replying to "I have to drop, sorry — but loved this call, I wis...":
You too!
10:38:17 From aendra to Everyone:
I need to drop off, lovely seeing y'all! 💚
Roscoe Rubin-Rottenberg, mterenzi, Laurens Hof, Enrico:❤️
Emily Hunt, Sebastian Vogelsang, Laurens Hof, Vincent Carpenter (he/him):👋
David Fraser:👍🏼
10:38:47 From Chris Boscolo to Everyone:
x402.org
10:38:50 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
ATProto Swag Working Group
10:38:52 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
who will pay for traffic of utproto?
10:38:52 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
being able to verify people on a community-level would be great! this is basically what feeds like the Astro feed or the science feed sorta do by having only a certain list of people be able to post to it, but it'd be lovely if it could show up
10:39:06 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Graze is working on monetization as well
10:39:25 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
Definitely check out Games Industry https://atprotocol.dev/tech-talk-trezy-games-industry-labeler-game-dev-feed/
10:39:28 From Chris Boscolo to Everyone:
Replying to "x402.org":
x402.org
Crypto based, but worth looking at for payments
10:39:42 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
Done with labelers, so longer opt in cycle, but verifiers is another path
10:39:45 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
Presumably this could be architected like labelers / moderation so that there's a hard-coded verifier but you can also opt in to others?
10:39:52 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
This is possible with deer.social and Trezy and how to setup in ozone
10:39:55 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
Yes, this is how it works
10:39:59 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
yeah, I think labellers do a good job with this - issue I always hae with them is you have to find them first
10:40:13 From David Fraser to Everyone:
Replying to "being able to verify people on a community-level w...":
Yes, so a little pressure on BlueSky to allow people to sign up for additional verifiers on their platform
Emily Hunt:👍
10:40:24 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
argh zoom chat is terrible, replies keeps making my screen jump while typing
Enrico, Emily Hunt:💯
10:40:38 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
I'm done trying to reply
10:40:54 From Boris Mann to Everyone:
Replying to "I'm done trying to reply":
Zoom chat doesn’t work for reply guys?
10:41:22 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
BORIS
10:41:26 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
GDIT
Laurens Hof:😂
10:43:21 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
I think for a while payments need to be about piggybacking off of Stripe / FourthWall / Ko-Fi to tie back to a creator, it's just the app view will need to expose that better
David Fraser, Sebastian Vogelsang:👍🏼
10:46:04 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
crypto payments groups should invest in making an appview and presenting that to appview devs
10:46:10 From Laurens Hof to Everyone:
Majority-world onboarding to atproto happen only with video-first platform anyway, so that would be less of a bsky problem anyway
10:46:36 From Emily Hunt to Everyone:
Thanks so much for organising this! Super excited for what we can do in the future!
Laurens Hof:👍
David Fraser:👏🏼
10:46:42 From Sri.xyz to Everyone:
Thanks for organizing this. Learnt a lot here.
10:46:48 From mterenzi to Everyone:
Thanks for hosting this!
10:47:01 From Shakirov Marat to Everyone:
Replying to "Majority-world onboarding to atproto happen only w...":
that is surprising
10:47:07 From psingletary.com to Everyone:
yeah building out Indie sky as a category wou;d be great